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 Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Serina, well spoken ;), some of us just think if you look asian, your automatically a suicide bomber or a terrorist... too damn sterotypical
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly. So therefore, how the hell can I be proud to be British when I havent even been accepted by british people yet?
I edited my post, I do agree with what you said about immigration jabman, but it annoys me when alot of Europeans that immigrate are racist too. When my parents have lived here for most of their life and know alot about the country, they are still treated with less respect.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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we are just too damn ignorant and selfish yeah, i think a majority of the world dont really like "outsiders" as such in THEIR country.
anyway, im goin' for a bit now, im actually quite mad atm lol.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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lol why are you mad?
I agree with you.. I think people just need to be educated a bit. like in schools they could teach you a bit more about racism/ignorance. I mean they touch on it but there's not enough. Americans have so much history involving racism so I think they learn more about it at school but I dont feel like it is talked about very openly here..
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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If we give him the chance to voice his opinion and views on things then yes I believe he can change the world during his time at office.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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I get what you're saying Serina, I'm Asian too so I understand- but you're generalising it too much. How can you say the British haven't accepted you? Yes there are racist people here, but there are racist people in the world. During WW2, black Americans came here to fight and experience integration for the first time- the BRITISH showed them what it was like to be mixed and this was one of the reasons why the Civil Rights Campaign began. America have an African American president because they fought for it- the problem in Britain is people don't fight as much.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| kutekittenx wrote: | | America have an African American president because they fought for it- the problem in Britain is people don't fight as much. |
I agree with you on that, thats exactly what I'm trying to say lol. I'm saying that racism is not dealt with enough in Britain.
But actually my grandad came to fight for Britain in WW2 but people were still racist to him.
And also, Black and Asian people only began to come to the UK to settle down and live here after the war and during the 50's - and i know that from my grandad's experience. The civil rights movement in america for african americans began in 1955ish too, and that was quite a long time after the war. It may have been one of the reasons, but I dont think Britain had an awful lot to do with why they began the movements. It was alot to to with the Jim Crow Laws and that basically they had had enough of it. Britain is very different because
1. We have laws that are rubbish and have obviously failed when looking at racism.
2. America has a constitution that is above any other law, and now includes race in one of the rules.
As another asian, havent you suffered racism alot too? I have and it still goes on, so thats just how I feel about it.
I'm not disagreeing with you because I understand what you're saying but I think you'll agree that Racism seriously needs to be sorted out in this country, as we do live here, and I'm sure that both of us arent happy with how we seem to be making not much progress at all.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I agree it should be dealt with but I don't see it as "us" and "them"- I think of myself as the same as anyone else living in this country. If someone says a racist comment to me, I feel that there is no negative impact on me, but rather the person who has said it because they're not morally intact. Some people are racist and need to battle their own demons before they begin to accept others in the world.
The thing is, just because Obama was elected president, it doesn't mean that the issue of racism and prejudice has been tackled in America- they've moved forward yes, but it's not over. Think about how many people in Britain watched Obama's inauguration and think about how many articles etc. were written about him- this shows Britain is on the same road too. The only thing I hate is the BNP.. but other than that, I think that if you stand up for yourself then racism and inequality is already being fought and it can be overcome.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| kutekittenx wrote: | Yes I agree it should be dealt with but I don't see it as "us" and "them"- I think of myself as the same as anyone else living in this country. If someone says a racist comment to me, I feel that there is no negative impact on me, but rather the person who has said it because they're not morally intact. Some people are racist and need to battle their own demons before they begin to accept others in the world.
The thing is, just because Obama was elected president, it doesn't mean that the issue of racism and prejudice has been tackled in America- they've moved forward yes, but it's not over. Think about how many people in Britain watched Obama's inauguration and think about how many articles etc. were written about him- this shows Britain is on the same road too. The only thing I hate is the BNP.. but other than that, I think that if you stand up for yourself then racism and inequality is already being fought and it can be overcome. |
You have the right to feel that it has a negative impact on you, I mean why shouldnt you?
And I've been fighting and standing up for myself for as long as I can remember. The first time I remember someone being racist to me was when I was about five in infants school! I dont think they would have been not "morally intact", its about the education that their parents have had and the education they should have got about it when being brought up
And I know that it hasnt been fully tackled in America - I said that in my other post, I said that the journey to getting rid of racism has been speeded up by certain factors in America.
And same here, I hate the BNP too, but the thing is, even though Britain is "on the road" to the same thing, I still think it will take quite a long time for it to happen. BNP numbers have been increasing too which is quite worrying and may be a factor for the slowing down of the UK's journey. I think because the Civil rights movement happened about 50 years ago in America, America is definately ahead of us in terms of moving forward.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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And I've been fighting and standing up for myself for as long as I can remember. The first time I remember someone being racist to me was when I was about five in infants school! I dont think they would have been not "morally intact", its about the education that their parents have had and the education they should have got about it when being brought up
And same here, I hate the BNP too, but the thing is, even though Britain is "on the road" to the same thing, I still think it will take quite a long time for it to happen. BNP numbers have been increasing too which is quite worrying and may be a factor for the slowing down of the UK's journey. I think because the Civil rights movement happened about 50 years ago in America, America is definately ahead of us in terms of moving forward. |
The thing is though, I don't think it's down to education that people are racist- schools are increasing with mixed ethnicities for example. Parents can't always be to blamed, although in certain situations it is tradition. Some people are just intolerant and indifferent; some people are fearful for change and some just want more power for themselves. This could easily change though and America have demonstrated how quickly change can happen. It was in 1968 that MLK was assassinated and just 40 years late, an African American president was elected- 4 decades for such a momentous change shows that anything is possible. When people were fighting in the CRM, do you think any of them though that they may live to see the first black president? Anything can happen, and though the road may seem unclear and misty now, it could be cleared up sooner than we know it and I think with Obama as president, Britain and the rest of the world have an influential figure to look to.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| kutekittenx wrote: |
The thing is though, I don't think it's down to education that people are racist- schools are increasing with mixed ethnicities for example. Parents can't always be to blamed, although in certain situations it is tradition. Some people are just intolerant and indifferent; some people are fearful for change and some just want more power for themselves. This could easily change though and America have demonstrated how quickly change can happen. It was in 1968 that MLK was assassinated and just 40 years late, an African American president was elected- 4 decades for such a momentous change shows that anything is possible. When people were fighting in the CRM, do you think any of them though that they may live to see the first black president? Anything can happen, and though the road may seem unclear and misty now, it could be cleared up sooner than we know it and I think with Obama as president, Britain and the rest of the world have an influential figure to look to. |
Just because schools are increasing with mixed ethnicities, it doesnt mean that racism isnt a problem. My school is most definately made up of mixed ethnicities but I see racism happening every single day. And what I meant by "Education" is that a child's mind is like a sponge isnt it? They take in everything that happens around them, they arent just born racist. So education is to blame for alot - not all - but alot of it.
All I'm saying is that change needs to happen right now, because I'm not prepared to wait another 40 years for change to happen. And I havent said once that obama isnt an influential figure, he's my biggest role model right now. Its one thing looking up to an influential figure, but it's another thing when people actually follow his example and act on it.
I dont want any hard feelings after this debate by the way :P I think we actually agree on most of the stuff.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Lol yeah we do! Of course not, I love debates 
All I have to say is each individual has some responsibility- yes a child's mind is like a sponge but that can't be the explanation for everything- murderers, rapists etc. can't be justified by their childhood. You may not want to wait another 40 years, but change doesn't occurs overnight, it's gradual. Take the CRM (our reoccuring example)- the Brown vs. Topeka ruling was in 1954 but change in practice to segregation in education didn't occur until years later. The 'Double V' campaign began during WW2, but it was only in the 1950s/1960s that a real CRM began and slowly, change was see with legislation and soon after, practice. Even now racism and prejudice towards blacks still exist, so how many more decades until it is completely demolished? Patience is a virtue and I think that if we wait, we or the generations to follow, will be rewards- one day we will live in a world without racism, we might not see it, but at least our children or our grandchildren or our grandchildren's granchildren will.
With respect to Obama, I think that people who consider him a role model are already accepting equality and though they may not act on his example, acknowledging it is a huge deal. 12 million people watched his inauguration, demonstrating how much he's already affected the world.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| kutekittenx wrote: |
All I have to say is each individual has some responsibility- yes a child's mind is like a sponge but that can't be the explanation for everything- murderers, rapists etc. can't be justified by their childhood. |
You cant make such a sure statement, and now you’re talking about a completely different matter. I disagree/agree with you, because I do think that criminals’ minds can be affected by their childhood, but obviously I wouldn’t say that justifies it. And I DID NOT say that that is the explanation to everything! It is a factor though and you just cannot deny that people need to be educated properly!
| Quote: | | You may not want to wait another 40 years, but change doesn't occurs overnight, it's gradual. |
I know change doesn’t occur overnight, but you’re completely missing my point. I am not going to sit here and just wait. I am going to do everything I can while growing up to help change come quicker. Are you telling me, that as an asian, you just accept racism? Are you telling me, that people such as MLK just sat back and let things change? No he didn’t. He did something, he got up and made things happen, and THAT is why we cant just “wait”.
Here in the UK, we aren't taught about racism because events such as the CRM didn't happen HERE and haven't happened yet. People are scared that if they say something they might offend someone, and that's because they arent taught the right's and wrong's of racism from a young age. America has that advantage though. It is part of their history, and is celebrated hugely, but is Martin Luther King day celebrated here? No.
Britain is just a growing ball of anger, fear and hate now, and unless we decide, as the next generation, that we need to do something, it will get worse, and it will explode in a way I cant even imagine. If you dont think that racism is a big problem here, you really are in denial.
Patience is a virtue is a lovely saying but when it comes to matters like this, I am not willing to sit back and relax.
| Quote: | | With respect to Obama, I think that people who consider him a role model are already accepting equality and though they may not act on his example, acknowledging it is a huge deal. 12 million people watched his inauguration, demonstrating how much he's already affected the world. |
Firstly, of course I think equality is right, but that doesnt necessarily mean it is there. America and Britain are two different countries, and also, I think it would be very naive of me to think that equality exists fully in this world. Yes acknowledging it is a huge deal, but I know that some people don't even care about it and that really upsets me! There's no point stating the obvious, I know how much he's affected the world. Yes, 12 million watched the inauguration, but you cant say that that's completely changed everybody's mind about equality.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, that is a huge bump! Please don't bump topics Serina, I know your intentions are good 
I don't accept racism, I'm not telling you to sit around and do nothing either. I'm just saying you can't expect this country to be in the same boat as the US. Every individual is different and that means some will accept new things quicker. Some people have tradition, I know as an Asian there are lots of traditional views so I understand why some people still can't accept equality- that obviously doesn't make it right, it just means for some, there will be still more to make them change their minds. It's an ongoing progress really.
Anyways locked- this could go on forever, but this thread has been bumped by almost a month! Sorry
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